Amit Sidhpura, Global Strategy Leader for HR and Talent Transformation Consulting at IBM: Understanding Your True Self

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: Hi! I'm Shannon, Lucas.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: And I'm Tracy Lovejoy. We're the co-ceos of catalyst constellations which is dedicated to empowering catalysts to create bold, powerful change in the world.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: This is our podcast move, fast, break ship burnout, where we speak with catalyst executives about ways to successfully lead transformation in large organizations. And today I am super excited to have amit Sidpra with us

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: over. For over 15 plus years Emma has pursued his passion for helping individuals and organizations transform and grow.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: He's a global peace ambassador, a passionate speaker and coach presenting globally at conferences and workshops, including the World Economic Forum.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: He's currently the global strategy Leader for Hr. And Talent transformation, consulting at Ibm. Freaking coolest title ever. He's also a certified meditation coach and founder of the city monk and Project transformation, sharing his expertise with leaders and entrepreneurs, to connect with their quote inner superpowers unquote and live a fulfilling life. Thank you for joining us today.

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Amit Sidhpura: Thank you so much for having me on really excited about this.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: Awesome. So I did a very small overview of your journey. But we'd love to have you share about your journey, especially through a catalytic lens, maybe sharing a few career highlights that you're proud of. So we can see your catalytic powers.

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Amit Sidhpura: Yeah, sure. So I guess if I start, I was working for the Government when I 1st left university. I was working there very bureaucratic, a lot of red tape in all kinds of senses, right? And I was almost looking for that spark. Thinking, hold on! Work is supposed to be this way. This is what I saw on videos. This is what I feel.

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Amit Sidhpura: And I left that organization. And I was quite lucky I started working for at that point. It wasn't a startup. It was an organization that was growing rapidly. I was there for some time. We did 14 acquisitions. I basically joined as a junior, I was promoted every 6 to 8 months. So I basically became a board member. And at that time we started to outmuscle Ibm in some very, very large deals, and then Ibm signed us up as a business partner, and then we were acquired for 1.6 billion dollars.

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Amit Sidhpura: and we became the baseline of basically Ibm's Hr value proposition.

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Amit Sidhpura: So

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Amit Sidhpura: then, joining Ibm, it's almost like, you know, the analogy that one of the leaders gave me back in the day when I used to report directly into the Cmo. And well, the one of the things he told us is that we've gone from college football to the Nfl. And he goes not. Everyone is going to like playing in this, in this stadium, in this setting, in this park. But some people are really going to love it.

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Amit Sidhpura: and it was almost like a rocket from that sense onwards, right? I was fortunate to travel fairly often, so various countries around the world, working with different people, different cultures, spending a lot of time in the Us.

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Amit Sidhpura: and then post that. I was then looking at opportunities to to see what would be my my kind of next move.

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Amit Sidhpura: And again, if I look at it from a catalyst perspective, one of the things I was looking at when I was working within the organization, or, as part of my rapid growth is, I was looking at gaps. I'm very curious as a person.

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Amit Sidhpura: So one of the things that I was noticing is that if something was broken or it wasn't being done right, or it wasn't anyone's responsibility. If it was that gray area. It would just be fun for me to learn how to try and solve that. So I would kind of just solve things, and every so often when I would have one to ones with my bosses, I would just tell them, Hey, so and so wasn't working so and so was broken, and I kind of thought I've done this. What do you think?

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Amit Sidhpura: And because of that I was able to more or less create my own job titles, my own job Roles or Job Roles first, st and then job right titles as a reflection of that, and that gave me an opportunity to play in a very, very different way. I didn't like that whole, and I guess you know, having worked at the Government, it left that

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Amit Sidhpura: that ounce there of I don't want to be in a structure which is very rigid. I just want to be in a place where or an environment where I'm able to to grow and do things I love doing.

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Amit Sidhpura: and everything for me. To be honest at work is just very playful.

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Amit Sidhpura: So it's almost like being in a sand pot or a sand pit. And you're just, you know, basically just having fun

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Amit Sidhpura: trying different things, looking at what? What's working, what's not working. And how do we change it? And I love patterns. So I spend a lot of time looking at data looking at patterns.

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Amit Sidhpura: How do we consecutively improve something? How do we make something better? How do we make something faster? So that's kind of the the passion behind that?

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Amit Sidhpura: And then I moved to Singapore, and I was a leader of Asia, Pacific.

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Amit Sidhpura: So again, very, very different from a cultural perspective. Having spent so much time in, you know the Uk or parts of Europe and the Us.

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Amit Sidhpura: And that's when it was almost like my dream job. So before that I was traveling, I was working at probably 80 90 HA week. So working very, very crazy hours.

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Amit Sidhpura: And it was. It was almost for this kind of dream dream job dream role.

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Amit Sidhpura: And then I remember when I went to when I was in Singapore, I lived in the Marina. I lived on the 37th floor of an apartment overlooking the whole Marina, and during that time when I moved from you know, I was based in London at the time when I moved over, there was so much business travel happening so much other work happening at the same time while my things were being shipped out and sent over to Singapore.

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Amit Sidhpura: That is only when you know. I moved into the apartment. The moving people came in. They set everything up, and then they left, and I'm standing on my balcony, and I was just like Whoa! I'm lonely. What the hell have I just done?

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Amit Sidhpura: That's when everything kind of really settled in.

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Amit Sidhpura: And I guess if I look back in my career.

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Amit Sidhpura: The way I had positioned myself is when I saw someone successful or someone that I I felt was successful, or or that person that I idolized at that point I was like, how do I become something like that?

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Amit Sidhpura: This person looks happy. This person looks successful.

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Amit Sidhpura: and I guess that's the thing is, I was always looking for happiness, but because we live in a very practical world, and we've never really been taught this.

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Amit Sidhpura: We kind of equal it to success. So success makes you happy.

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Amit Sidhpura: And so I'm sitting there, you know, on the balcony on the 37th floor, hearing the traffic and looking there. And I'm just like, Whoa! What have I done? Do I really want this? Will this make me happy?

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Amit Sidhpura: And that kind of continued? And then from then onwards. I was asking myself more of the question of What am I here to do?

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Amit Sidhpura: What is my purpose?

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Amit Sidhpura: Because it's very easy to go from job to Job. You get promoted. You make more money, you travel, you do all these fine things in life. But what are you doing it for?

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Amit Sidhpura: So I love the experience aspect, but then it almost felt that there should be something further right. There should be some kind of calling. There should be something that when I do that I'm feeling satisfied, because

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Amit Sidhpura: what I always felt is when I was going from role to role. And I, you know, from from a junior to a board member, to a leader. I excelled in that pretty fast, and when I was always doing it, I was always like, Okay, maybe this will make me happy. Maybe this will be that that kind of

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Amit Sidhpura: you know that that role, or that effect which which I feel more grounded, or I feel more meaning or more purpose, but that just carried on.

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Amit Sidhpura: and that was something that was always left as a gap and as an answer. And when I was based in Singapore for 2 years. That was a time where I really started to reflect on things of what would I like to do?

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Amit Sidhpura: And what does this world need, and what? What do I want to kind of you know? How do I fill that gap? Or how do I? How do I address that.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: Amazing. I have so many threads I want to pull.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: I'm stopping super intentionally, because we're probably going to want to cut this out.

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Amit Sidhpura: One is rubbing so.

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Amit Sidhpura: Oh, against my.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: Yeah, yeah. So I didn't. Wanna you. Everything you were saying was so fascinating I didn't want to interrupt, but.

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Amit Sidhpura: Think I can take? Should I try and take it out.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: Yeah. Let's see.

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Amit Sidhpura: Is this sound? Okay.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: Yeah, I think that's fine. Totally. Yeah.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: No, no worries. There's so many things that I want to unpack there. But I'm just gonna continue on. So I'll ask you the next question, and then, we can come to the

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: the next questions around the challenges and insights sound good.

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Amit Sidhpura: Yeah, sure.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: Okay.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: so thank you for sharing. That's so amazing. We have so many more questions. But I just want to understand in your own words, how you relate to the concept of catalyst, and maybe how that supported you. On your journey to become an executive.

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Amit Sidhpura: So my definition or my understanding, I guess of catalyst is is someone that's doing something which is game changing right? So it's addressing values that need to be addressed.

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Amit Sidhpura: And it said, looking at aspects which are more, we based so more collective.

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Amit Sidhpura: Now when I look at it and the things that I've experienced and the mentors that I've had in my life, you know. The aspect they've always told me is, you need to be a selfless leader. You're here to guide others. And this is what you see. So a lot of leaders over the years I've worked I work with some great leaders. I work with some leaders which are like, Okay, but what you will see is those leaders that really stick out. They're the ones that have a very bold vision.

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Amit Sidhpura: and they're very good at articulating what that vision is, because it's aligned to their purpose. It's aligned to their meaning. But at the same time it's just not a fancy phrase on a business card, on a Powerpoint presentation or a piece of paper. It's they're the living, breathing message behind that. And that's the difference, right? It's very easy to come up with some good narrative, some good strategies and kind of preach people to say, Here, let's do this.

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Amit Sidhpura: but if you start to live those traits you start to live, those values, you become the reflection of that message. And this is what I always share with people

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Amit Sidhpura: that in order for me to do something, I need to be there. First, st I need to have experienced it. I need to be the reflection of that message.

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Amit Sidhpura: And then I need to power people together, and you need to do it in a selfless way, because that I guess that intention behind what you're doing is what wakes you up every morning. So an intention of bringing people together, and you know, just using them to get your next career promotion or your next career goal, or whatever achievements you want to do.

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Amit Sidhpura: That's not selfless, right? And the intent will slowly start to come out. And this is what you'll see

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Amit Sidhpura: now, an intent for you to have this long term intent. You need to be true and honest and authentic. To what are you really wanting to do so. I'm here to achieve X, not just by myself, whether I stay or whether I go. This team collectively needs to achieve this.

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Amit Sidhpura: And so you almost need to make that goal needs to be bigger than any single person in the organization. So this is our North Star.

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Amit Sidhpura: Whoever stays whoever goes that North Star will not change, and everyone that comes in that's the culture that we live and breathe.

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Amit Sidhpura: And this is what's really really important. And I guess when you look at around the world and you look at leaders across the organization, this is one thing this world is really struggling with, where we're going through a number of challenges.

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Amit Sidhpura: and people are just doing the same old stuff.

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Amit Sidhpura: Is the intent really there? Not? No, I don't think it is, and if the intent was there at some point, it slowly started to change away from we to I. And as it comes into the I, your decision making is very different.

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Amit Sidhpura: Your thoughts, your behaviors are very different. You don't reflect it, but you're then preaching to other people. To say, we need to do this, we need to do that, but if you're not living and breathing it, it's not going to be reflected anywhere else within the business.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: As Shannon said, there's my brain has so many places to follow up, so forgive me. I have to pick one in my follow up question right now.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: typically, we'd move to ask, like, what are the challenges you've faced as a catalyst executive. But I want to go back and frame a particular challenge. So you are in your beautiful apartment.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: feeling lonely and unhappy.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: Which I think ties. I'm I'm guessing ties to what you're sharing right now in terms of collective success versus the I,

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: and I'll tee up for you

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: with catalyst something that we see in the research is that they also will be seeking the success.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: And it's actually incredibly elusive, like you actually were able to articulate like, I got 14 promotions. I was sitting on the board for catalyst when you and I'm guessing this is in your story, too. It's part of why I share it when you're seeking transformation versus you know, promotions.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: It almost never arrives while you're still in the job. Fully.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: And so in that way, when you're seeking success, you almost never feel successful.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: So not only are you potentially seeking the wrong thing.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: but the thing you are seeking almost never materializes like you're just always like onto the next mountain.

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Amit Sidhpura: Exactly. Yeah.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: And so I'd love to frame. And have you help us think about how did you overcome

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: the challenge of sitting alone, lonely in your apartment.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: working for the eye 80 h, 90, so 90 HA week like fill us with wisdom.

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Amit Sidhpura: So if we look back at that, and that's

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Amit Sidhpura: 100% correct, because you're doing something right. If I look at it, what you'll generally see is that

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Amit Sidhpura: you're running away from certain aspects in your life. So certain challenges are rising. You don't know how to deal with those challenges. You don't know what to do, so it's very easy to kind of run away from those challenges and kind of just, you know. Hide it, work.

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Amit Sidhpura: So then you start to fire that piece right? Because it's it's a balanced life. Now, what I slowly started to see is that things that I was running away from, or challenges that I was being faced with in my personal life. I didn't know how to address.

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Amit Sidhpura: so it's very easy for me to leave that and come here and just basically be at work.

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Amit Sidhpura: Things were working. Things were within my control. I was being promoted every so often. But then, at some point you hit that wall, because what you realize is I'm at work, or I'm within his personal life there is no difference. But in the mind it's almost like, Oh, when I go to work I dress like this when I'm at home I dress like this.

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Amit Sidhpura: but there's absolutely no difference. And then, when you start to look at the behavioral patterns. What you see is things that you suck with at work.

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Amit Sidhpura: It's very easy to blame, you know yourself and play that guilt role very easy to blame, colleagues very easy to blame that situation, but the exact same pattern. When you start looking at the nuances of those patterns. You face the exact same patterns at home within your personal life.

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Amit Sidhpura: and at some point those those patterns will slowly start to catch up with you, because you know, to be honest and to be completely fair. Success is pretty easy

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Amit Sidhpura: in this material world. Right? You just need to keep focus somewhere.

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Amit Sidhpura: Keep focus somewhere.

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Amit Sidhpura: Things happen right? You can put a focus anywhere. Things happen.

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Amit Sidhpura: So if you're if you're just doing it for that success, you're doing it for that pay rises for that kind of life. It's very easy to live that life right, but then you almost question it to say

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Amit Sidhpura: I'm living that life, but for what? For? Who

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Amit Sidhpura: looks great? So it's very easy for people to say, Oh, my God, you've done this! You've done that, but I'm the one who knew. You know, the front end of the story and the back end of the story. So I knew what was happening. But other people see this kind of facade.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: So? How have you overcome.

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Amit Sidhpura: Talented.

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Amit Sidhpura: So a lot of it was, you know, I go to patterns. Right? So this is what I slowly started to pay more attention, for, based on the things that I was facing as challenges based on the things that I was, you know, quote unquote. Running away from slowly, I started to realize that, you know, having lived in Singapore for almost like, you know, 3 months. At that point those similar patterns slowly started to arise again, and I was just like, Whoa, okay, hold on. I'm in a completely different place, different people. And this is what's happening.

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Amit Sidhpura: What is happening. So I slowly started to spend some time on that, just to realize that.

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Amit Sidhpura: And that was one aspect that I wanted to do. So.

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Amit Sidhpura: Being new, I had.

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Amit Sidhpura: you know you're working. But from a social perspective, you're still building up that friend Circle. All of this. I had a lot more time personally

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Amit Sidhpura: to then just reflect on things by myself. And this is one really interesting thing, right? So when I was there I was, I mentioned this this aspect of loneliness. Now this is one pattern that I slowly started to find out about myself right? So during this period, when I felt lonely when I tried to make friends with others socially.

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Amit Sidhpura: I found it very, very difficult.

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Amit Sidhpura: right? And what I then started to do was just accept the fact that I'm lonely. And as I started to accept that. What I started to do is I started to enjoy my own company.

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Amit Sidhpura: I didn't limit some of the things I wanted to do in a new city in a new country traveling across Asia. So I started doing that. And as I became more of an acceptance mode about that emotion about that feeling.

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Amit Sidhpura: What I then saw is, once I was happy with myself. Then I made friends like that. It was crazy. So I slowly started to see. And this is what's very, very important is whatever you're feeling.

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Amit Sidhpura: Subconsciously, you're reflecting it everywhere. So I was reflecting that loneliness everywhere I was going. So you can be in the most social environment, surrounded by tons of people. But you can still be lonely because it's a feeling that's within you. It's not being corrected from the outside. So generally, what we do is we try to collect that feeling from outside that void, but it's never really addressed within us, and that was almost where it started to click. And then I was just like, Whoa, okay.

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Amit Sidhpura: so that was almost the stepping stone. And then that journey carried on. So I've been living in in Zurich. Switzerland is coming up to 7 years

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Amit Sidhpura: next year, next year, March the 7th of March. I've been here for 7 years and

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Amit Sidhpura: You know that aspect then continued. During that time I was I was dating a girl who's now my or dating a woman who's now, my wife, and as we as we got married, one of the the things that we wanted to do was

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Amit Sidhpura: develop and work on ourselves in a slightly different way. We never really thought about it that way. So we were reading more, going to the gym, eating healthy, doing all these things right. And then one of the things that almost just happened by an accident was more of an inner development journey, so more of a spiritual transformation journey. And we were

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Amit Sidhpura: in tune with ourselves in that way, but I'd never really explored spirituality in that sense, and this is almost what then slowly started to open the door, and I was just like, well, this stuff is is powerful.

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Amit Sidhpura: So people had told me about meditations before, and I said, No, I'm very rational and practical.

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Amit Sidhpura: And then it's slowly. When you start to get involved in some of these practices, you start to see how rational and practical you are. There's so much deep conditioning that we have. There's so much of a facade that we've built because we keep saying to ourselves, Everything's okay. We're not aware of all the stuff which is crumbling behind the scenes.

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Amit Sidhpura: and when you're able to pull that veil away and slowly start to look at soft skills that we call them right, which are fundamental to everything that we do in our life. Most of them are just crumbled away so very quick at building skyscrapers on, you know.

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Amit Sidhpura: And then it just collapses overnight. So what you need to do is is almost soft skills, power skills. Whatever you want to do. Those are baseline skills. And if you can't do those baseline skills.

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Amit Sidhpura: spirituality in its true sense, is nothing more than being your true natural self. But we've forgotten that trait. We're a human being, but we've forgotten how to be human beings.

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Amit Sidhpura: So we give ourselves labels to to feel special or to feel superior. But we're not able to fulfill those values or those labels because of what we're trying to do. And that was almost the opportunity where I was just like, Whoa, okay, this is cool.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: So you're in Singapore. You begin to have this journey of awareness of acceptance.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: You meet this woman. The deeper inner journey is happening. And you said earlier, we are the same person

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: in our personal life and our work life.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: And so I'm curious how is this journey that we've heard about on the personal side

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: And how are you bringing this into Hr transformation today?

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Amit Sidhpura: So it's easy, right? Because it's just understanding yourself. That's it.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: You say that easy, but you just said like.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: this is the biggest blindness that people have, right like.

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Amit Sidhpura: That's what it is. It's understanding yourself. Yeah. I sit with tons of execs. I sit with loads and loads of leaders every week, every day people come to me and tell me I'm stressed. Why are you stressed? They'll say, stuff.

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Amit Sidhpura: you say. But why are you stressed? They'll say the same story again, but in a different perspective. They have no idea what the triggers are.

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Amit Sidhpura: So if you don't know what your stress triggers are, how are you going to become de-stressed?

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Amit Sidhpura: I can't take you into a fancy workshop. I can show you a fancy model. But if you don't know what's stressing you out, the model's not even going to work.

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Amit Sidhpura: and the thing is, is, if you give someone a very simple model they're like, no, I don't think this will work, and you give them a very complex one. They're like this guy's smart, but the model is so complex, even they don't know how to use it, so they will try it for a couple of days. It won't make a difference, and then they'll move on. So this is what you'll see is that we overthink things.

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Amit Sidhpura: Now, what you need to turn around and see is that you don't need to use the word spirituality. You don't need to use anything, but you just need to tell people just understand yourself

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Amit Sidhpura: because you understand the market. You understand your clients. You understand how to do these fascinating things.

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Amit Sidhpura: Tell me about yourself, your true self. Why do you have certain thoughts? Why are there certain emotions that you keep having, that you're not even in tune with? And those thoughts, those emotions? Right? So it's something like, what is it between 12,000 60,000 thoughts? We have a day. And I think it's something like 80% of those thoughts are negative.

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Amit Sidhpura: Our emotions are not under our control because they're not under our control. It ripples into your thoughts. Thoughts are very erratic. Thoughts are very negative based. And because of that, physically, we're in pain.

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Amit Sidhpura: So whatever you do doesn't make a difference, because you need to look at well, something's burning inside. What is that aspect which is burning.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: I love the clarity like an amazing formula. So

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: what would we have seen if we were your colleague?

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: How is amitt changing, and what are you bringing into the field that you're driving and game changing in.

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Amit Sidhpura: So a lot more open, more authentic

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Amit Sidhpura: courage. These are the traits so normal traits of your heart. This is what you'll see. So generally. These are the types of traits that we want to try and train the mind right, and training the mind is almost like going to a dog and teaching it how to bark it just does it normally right? So we have these values, you know, resilience, love, happiness, passion, courage, strength.

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Amit Sidhpura: all the things that people were talking about during Covid. Just connect your heart. And these are normal human being values. So we've disconnected so far away from those values we now need to almost do training programs to help people become more human. And so this is what you'll see. So when you slowly start to live, those traits. You work in a very different way.

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Amit Sidhpura: You automatically. It's not like, I need to go into work and say, I'm here for the people we we, you just live that value. And as you live, those values by being connected to yourself. What you're seeing is that you just become that collective version or that message of we.

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Amit Sidhpura: You will do things in a more empathetic way. You will think about things in ways slightly different, especially when disruption is going on like it is right now, where a lot of people have this fear-based.

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Amit Sidhpura: you know, problems that they're dealing with, challenges that they're dealing with. You're able to bring in a boost of positivity. Not because you're pretending, but

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: I wanna keep. I wanna keep pushing on this because, like I like for me, it's an Amen.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: the work that we do with people. You know, I think part of it is like the intentionality and getting in alignment with who you are, and then how you're manifesting things in the world aligned to that.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: But given your role. And you know, Ibm has this gravitas in terms of professional consulting and this big history. I'm just really curious like, how are like, we have a 6 week class where we talk about like the hardcore change making skills. And exactly what you talked about, like the power skills that that power literally the ability to create change. And so I'm just wondering, like, How do you help both Ibm and your customers embrace some of the things that you're talking about

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: to do, that Hr acceleration, transformation.

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Amit Sidhpura: So embedding it in terms of the so embedding in the way they build their strategies. So making sure that this is foundational to what they're doing. So you can do change programs. You can do, you know, transformation programs. But again, it goes down to the people.

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Amit Sidhpura: So if the people aren't open to change. Why are they not open to change? Generally people aren't open to change, because it scares them.

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Amit Sidhpura: It scares them. It's triggering certain emotions, so you need to empower people so they're able to understand themselves better.

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Amit Sidhpura: And then through that they're able to be more collective and then start to hold that vision. So as a leader, if you're the reflection of a certain vision or a message, you need to help everyone in that team become that reflection of that message as well. And this is a message that you need to live and breathe, not just again. Just repeat or just see printed somewhere.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: And that aspect is really important. So not everyone has the courage to do that.

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Amit Sidhpura: And so this is what you'll see. So when I mean courage, it's and I share this analogy with someone earlier today, it's almost like when you put a tea bag into a, you know, into a glass of water.

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Amit Sidhpura: you can put it in for for a couple of seconds, or you can put it in for a couple of minutes. Now, if we look at emotional blocks or burdens, or anything like that, or suppressed emotions, it doesn't matter how long it's in there, for it's there.

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Amit Sidhpura: so, and it's very easy to slowly get back in tune with it, right? Because there's aspects of our life we want to change. We want meaning and purpose, meaning and purpose is here through our condition. We're here, and we're just looking around.

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Amit Sidhpura: What are we going to do? So you need to slowly move back right, move back to your true self of when you were a child before. All of those aspects happened with the wisdom.

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Amit Sidhpura: Now you won't just forget any of the challenges that you faced, but that sting will disappear.

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Amit Sidhpura: and sometimes the stings are there. When you think about experiences, or you think about people, and you're like they made. They did this to me, and that anger still there, slowly, slowly, when you start doing it consciously, those charges disappear.

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Amit Sidhpura: So you're fully aware of what happened. You're fully aware of how you were treated or what you learned.

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Amit Sidhpura: but you're able to walk away with that learning of that lesson without that stimulus of that pain.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: What question or problem, when executives are bringing you in to have these conversations? I'm guessing they're not asking like, I need to be more authentic and aligned with all of my things. I know that's going to make me a happier human like. What are they? What do they think they're bringing you in for that. This is the answer.

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Amit Sidhpura: So most of the time. It's a shock when I slowly start to talk about these things, because people expect me to come in and talk, or do a presentation on something very, very different. Even when I look at it for city monk. When I have conversations with people, they expect it to go in. It's almost in a conditioned way.

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Amit Sidhpura: and I talk about something, and they're like, no one's ever said that to me. And you're just saying, it's this simple. And you're like, Yeah, this is what you need to do. So it is that it is that surprise. But it's walking away, and you can almost see that that person is is having those kind of Aha moments very similar to the moments I had.

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Amit Sidhpura: Because you're looking at a problem. But you're looking at it from a very different perspective. Now, when you start to look at it in a 360 view, that's when you really start to focus on the problem.

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Amit Sidhpura: And that's when the solutions slowly start to come. And this is what's really, really important is you need to shift that perspective again, because of our conditioning, because our behavior traits and the way we've always been, you know, aligned to doing something because it's worked in the past. We've always just carried on doing it that way.

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Amit Sidhpura: And this is now what you're seeing is now we've hit these crossroads with this disruption and with the challenges we're now facing. It's not challenges every 3 months. It's not disruption. Every couple of years. It's like day in, day out. So you need to change your perspective, you need to change what you're doing and how you're doing it. And and this is why this aspect is so important.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: It's so fascinating and like clearly, your own personal transformation has, you know, been the bedrock of getting you to where you are in the organization. It's not always easy for catalyst when we sort of like

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: my guess is, I mean because I've done similar things in terms of bringing mindfulness into large organizations. And so you become this Bridger or translator, and sometimes, even no matter how much we try and translate the language that we use as catalyst can be scary to people, or the concepts are like foreign to them. And I'm just wondering, like how, which which also means that not a ton of catalysts make it to the super executive level.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: And so I'm just wondering if you can share like, how has being a catalyst helped you get there, or if there's other advice.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: especially around the self-awareness about catalysts to help catalysts, you know, get, move, move up in the organization.

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Amit Sidhpura: So I think you know, we look at it from that perspective, and I guess it wouldn't be honest if I turned around and said, that's what you need to look at. So again, we need to look at it. You know I did it because I felt. That's how I'm going to be happy, because that's what you know. When I was growing up and through my conditioning, when I was observing things, it was like, Whoa, I want to be like this.

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Amit Sidhpura: and then you get there. And you're like, but this didn't make me happy. So one thing that I would share with people is, do what makes you happy because doing what makes you happy is aligned to your purpose. You're aligned to your meaning. You're aligned to your values. Do that, and you will thrive because we already know you just need to put focus and effort somewhere. You put focus and effort somewhere. You will be successful. Whether it be in that organization, whether it be in another organization. But you're going to be the one who deems it a success or whatever success looks like

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Amit Sidhpura: And the other thing that I wanted to share as well is that whenever we think of this inner work.

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Amit Sidhpura: a lot of us will call it, or label it mindfulness or well-being, and then, when we label it, those aspects mindfulness is well, if I've got time to do it. I'll do it. Well-being is, if I'm broken I'll try this stuff until I'm well, and then I'll stop

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Amit Sidhpura: what I'm turning it around and saying is just the practical aspect of life.

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Amit Sidhpura: You don't know yourself as a human being, so if you don't know yourself as a human being, how do you know what aspects and strengths you've got

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Amit Sidhpura: right. It's almost like us turning up in a Ferrari, and we're just driving it in 1st gear, and we're enjoying it. Great. But have you ever tried going in 6th gear?

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Amit Sidhpura: You just imagine that what the experience would be like, what the pace would be like, the enjoyment would be like. And this is what you need to remind people. So whenever I kind of do this stuff and people like, oh, this is a mental health session. No, it's got nothing to do with mental health.

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Amit Sidhpura: It's helping you understand who you are as a human being. So we'll buy an iphone, and we'll want to learn how to use that iphone. Right? We'll buy a brand new Mac. We'll want to learn how to use that brand new Mac, we're a human being. How do you learn how to be a human being? How do you operate?

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Amit Sidhpura: So this is the aspect which is really really important to share to people. It's just that foundational aspect you've powered something on.

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Amit Sidhpura: There's all these other gadgets inside. How are you using all those other gadgets? And you can go most of your life without knowing. Oh, I had this as a skill, or I had this as a you know, as an aspect which is very easy, but I never really used it so fully, utilizing everything you have.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: I love that. And you know, as I was alluding to earlier, I think it is we need more people like you who can do that bridging language to put it into the brass tacks of like. You will be more successful in whatever the thing is. You think you want to do right now. You might change that once you get to like. Reconnect with yourself again, too. That's an that's an option.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: But going back to so do what makes you happy like so smart. And you talked about how you've actually created your own role more than once, which I think, and I think Tracy probably thinks is a great way for catalysts to, you know, a great path for catalyst to pursue, because there's very little roles, very few roles that are designated or designed for us as catalysts.

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Shannon Lucas - Catalyst Constellations: That's not easy, though, like it's scary to put yourself out there. Most leaders aren't like we have headcount. We have the fte set like, what do you? What do you mean? You're going to create a new role. Do you have any advice or shared wisdom for people to be successful at that.

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Amit Sidhpura: The thing is, is that so? Look the way I always look at it is anything that you do is they're going to be aspects outside of your control aspects inside of your control. Just break it down and write that down. So we lose a lot of energy and a lot of time with headcount budget. All of this. Who cares? It's outside of your control. Just make a note of it. Then there's going to be 3 or 4 aspects which are in your control. That's all your work. So leave those aspects, whereas normal human beings. So we're going to have that kind of uproar within us.

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Amit Sidhpura: So by doing that very simple exercise, you're able to jot those things down jot those things down that inner fight, that inner struggle will slow down a little bit as it slows down, you're able to center yourself

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Amit Sidhpura: as you're more centered. Start to look at those 3 4 aspects that are in your control, and that's where you need to do the work. Just keep working on those things, and you will see it's almost like it's like when you play chess. You just need to work on your moves as you work on your moves, the other moves will just automatically start to happen. And that's where you need to have faith

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Amit Sidhpura: that you're doing things with the right intention. You're doing things with. That value of. You want to improve something in this world.

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Amit Sidhpura: you know, into a favorable way for you. And that's what you need to do just continuously keep doing that and just keep reframing. It aspects in your control focus on that. There's a solution that any challenge that you have again break that challenge down aspects in your control aspects outside of your control. Keep looking for it because what we do is the minute something happens, we start focusing on all those things outside of our control. We're almost kind of blindsided, you know, we suffer from head fog. We're not doing anything. We're not moving.

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Amit Sidhpura: So the minute you reframe that it slowly starts to help you require or realize how much courage you need to do certain things because you've put yourself in the comfort zone. Now, getting out of that comfort zone is going to require that bit of work. But when you start doing that, that's when all those changes will slowly start to happen. So again, you're the reflection of change.

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Amit Sidhpura: Everywhere you go. If you reflect that change, or that aspect of doing something new, being more inspirational everywhere you go. You just reflect that as an energy you become the message of doing something in a different way, and you will just see that the path almost just lights up, and it clears.

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Amit Sidhpura: and everything that's in its way will just move out. And this is almost, you know, if you were thinking about looking for, like a detailed strategy or a model. Again, I keep things very, very simple, and that's always been. My aspect of it is you do what's in your control. These other aspects will just work out, and most of my career is based on that.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: I love that final like. That's that's where I sit. That clarity of you had the title, you know, we heard at the beginning, and then you actually know what that is and the power you're bringing, which is just beautiful.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: As we wrap up today, we'd love to hear about your favorite catalyst pastor Present, who inspires you, and why.

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Amit Sidhpura: So I guess you know the whole story wouldn't be complete if I talked about my mentor. So there's a gentleman that I met, and I was lucky to meet him in 2019. In Zurich there was a session that he did next to Zurich Lake.

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Amit Sidhpura: and it was basically so during this time, you know, my my fiance and I were looking at different aspects around development.

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Amit Sidhpura: and we came across this session called Sound of the soul, and there was just this pull to it. I'd never really come across anything like that before.

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Amit Sidhpura: He shared some things which were very, very simple, very, very easy. The same way. I kind of shared that. And I was just like Whoa! This is easy, but it's almost everything. Was that Aha! Moment.

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Amit Sidhpura: Now let's experience it. And I was just like Whoa, okay, so everything he talked about, he then said, you need to experience it because you need to become the reflection of that experience up until you become the reflection of that experience. It's just knowledge.

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Amit Sidhpura: And so this is what you'll see. A lot in the world is that we're very, very smart at doing things. You look at coaching books. You look at all these things, but if those things work, then we wouldn't be in the situation. We are as humanity.

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Amit Sidhpura: So this is what the aspect is wrong is that we've got the knowledge, but we haven't gained the experience behind it. So we hear a lot of people saying, Connect your heart totally makes sense.

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Amit Sidhpura: And then, all of a sudden, you're connected in to, you know to yourself in a very, very. He's a he's a medical doctor and a transformation pioneer.

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Amit Sidhpura: and he's a founder of a movement which is called Maitre Bod Barivar. And he started this movement about 12 years ago with a very bold vision of helping humanity experience one world, one family.

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Amit Sidhpura: because this is what you'll see up until you become peace with yourself. You're able to accept yourself.

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Amit Sidhpura: You will always see a difference between myself and and everyone else.

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Amit Sidhpura: But it doesn't happen with family members. This is what you'll see. Your close friends so close friends can annoy you. Family members can annoy you. They're still family. They're still best friends. We accept that now. The minute a colleague does that, or some stranger does it? Or how dare they speak to me like that? How dare they treat me that way. So we create this type of barrier. But that person is going through their own challenges, their own problems. So what you'll slowly start to see is when you're able to connect yourself in a more deeper, meaningful way. When someone reacts

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Amit Sidhpura: to you in a very different aspect, you're able to go beyond that anger to see what their challenge or what their pain is.

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Amit Sidhpura: So you're able to give them love. Give them empathy naturally, and you're able to guide them back to correcting that.

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Amit Sidhpura: Now one of the things that you'll see and this is his. His key. Teaching is is the cause of suffering is the lack of love.

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Amit Sidhpura: and it's a very, very universal teaching. You can apply it everywhere. If there's a lack of love within you, it will be a ripple effect with everyone else.

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Amit Sidhpura: and this is what you'll see. So

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Amit Sidhpura: you don't have that. Many people talking about love in the world. And this is what you need. So when there's when there's anger, when there's hate, the only things, the only remedy for that is peace. The only remedy for that is love.

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Amit Sidhpura: And this is what the world needs, whether you're in one of the largest corporate organizations in the world or you're doing charity work somewhere.

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Amit Sidhpura: These are normal values that we've just forgotten. How do you slowly infuse that into all aspects of your life

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Amit Sidhpura: to make it more meaningful.

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Amit Sidhpura: so able to live a happy life. This is what we're all looking for is happiness.

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Amit Sidhpura: We're looking for peace, and we're looking for growth

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Amit Sidhpura: now. So you just need to go through those 3 simple things and say, what is stopping you from being happy?

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Amit Sidhpura: Okay, what is stopping you from being, you know, peaceful.

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Amit Sidhpura: And that's what those 3 questions that I would I would always ask people is, that's the that's the difference. Because very often, when you ask that question. You ask people, what are you ultimately looking for in life?

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Amit Sidhpura: And they will say things, and they will say things, and then towards the end, I'll just say, I just want to be happy.

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Amit Sidhpura: Okay, now, what's stopping you from that? Where is that?

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Amit Sidhpura: And they will say it themselves. It's within me.

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Amit Sidhpura: I just don't know how to access it.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: As Shannon mentioned, we work with our populations a lot to, you know, really understand the role that self-awareness plays

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: in blocking us from being able to help be a game changer. And it's rare that we have someone that can really break down and give really specific examples of how to dive into this. So I'm so grateful for the wisdom that you have chosen to share with us today, and really helping people have exercises that are practical to help them start on this journey that may have been invisible to them. So thank you so much for being here with us today.

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Amit Sidhpura: Oh, no, you're welcome, I guess one thing if I'm still allowed, and if we're not over one thing that I really wanted to share with people right? And this this really worked for me is more of a daily reflection exercise. So people like journaling people like to reflect. So we live a very busy lifestyle, very busy day, right? We're not very conscious of what's happening

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Amit Sidhpura: now. One thing that I would always recommend to people is that anything that happens in your life. Nothing is random. Everything is happening for a reason. So everything in this life, whether you look at it from a growth, perspective experiences or perspectives are happening during that day. To give you a very true reflection of where do you stand

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Amit Sidhpura: in your life? What do you need to grow what you need to change what you need to improve.

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Amit Sidhpura: And this is that daily litmus test. But we don't look at it that way. What we do is we see people. This person's annoyed me. This person's did that this person did that so reframe bring everything back and start to look at it as a very, very different perspective.

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Amit Sidhpura: and at the end of the day just slowly start to reflect on it. What were the 3 things that you liked that made you happy today.

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Amit Sidhpura: Right? What were the 3 things that you didn't like about today? And those things that you didn't like about today really go into the emotions because that will help you get in tune with. Why didn't you like it

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Amit Sidhpura: right? And whenever these emotions are there, don't analyze the emotion, because this is what we start to do.

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Amit Sidhpura: But this person doesn't have this emotion. I'm always like this. I'm always like that. Just be very, very clear. This is the emotion.

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Amit Sidhpura: Accept that emotion, and then slowly start to move. Then the other aspect is, what would you like to do differently tomorrow? And this would be a catalyst thing. So what you're seeing is that the way we're living our lives these days? We're just going on survival mode. I just did this. I finished this. I got that done.

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Amit Sidhpura: That's not what life is. Life is here to live life. So how do you go from surviving to thriving, and that thriving piece because we have the ability to co-create.

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Amit Sidhpura: We don't use that. What would you like to change something in your day didn't go the way you you planned it. What would you like to do differently?

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Amit Sidhpura: So we keep doing the same things, looking for different results. But

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Amit Sidhpura: design it again. And that's the ability. So that's 1 thing that I would really share with people is just reflect on that. In the evening

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Amit Sidhpura: you're able to consciously reevaluate your day to see what you learned from that day. So then tomorrow, when you go out, tomorrow's almost another exam. How are you prepared for that? Exam.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: Thank you once again, this incredibly practical tool that people can put into effect immediately to support this transformation.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: Thank you.

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Amit Sidhpura: You're welcome. Thank you so much.

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Tracey Lovejoy - Catalyst Constellations: And thank you so much to our listening audience to learn more about how to create bold, powerful change in the world. Be sure to check out our book, move fast, break, shit, burn out, or go to our website at catalystconstellations.com.

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